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Post by Jessica on Jul 9, 2021 12:19:54 GMT
Wow, what a random three-pack of dreams. Were you successful in programming in time? Err... mostly 😂 I have a reputation for showing off and being able to play a lot of notes in a very short space of time. That's a lot harder to achieve on a tiny, fiddly little BlackBerry keyboard than an actual guitar lol. I would pay to see either version. The first would be a great show, and the second would be a great (comedy) show.
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Post by Maria on Jul 24, 2021 22:58:33 GMT
So I'll put this here as it's about a dream, but unusually, it's about a dream from many, many years ago...
I read something earlier about how some non-binary people have a procedure that allows them to have a vagina while at the same time keeping their man-parts. As I was reading about it, I suddenly remembered a dream I had as an adolescent where, in the dream I discovered that I had a vagina as well as what I already knew I had, if that makes sense. I remember being extremely excited in the dream that this meant not only could I have one, but because I still had the other thing, I would be able to hide the fact that I had one. My own pleasurable little secret.
I don't know exactly how old I was, although I was definitely older than 11. The other thing is that I'm almost certain that I had this dream more than once, which is VERY unusual for me. Yet another piece of evidence for how completely clueless I was, as I don't recall waking up and thinking "OMG why would I dream that, what the hell?!" My reaction was probably more along the lines of "well of course I'm dreaming about having a vagina. What kind of boy WOULDN'T want his own vagina?" Ummm... 😂
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Post by Lily on Jul 24, 2021 23:39:04 GMT
Maria, I've got to say that I know I've missed some obvious clues, but that one really beats them all. I think your subconcious must have thought she'd really break through with that dream, "Surely there's no way she'll miss this. It's so obvious!" She kept on trying and trying too, the poor dear. It's OK though, you weren't to blame, our cis oppressors were!!!
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Post by Maria on Jul 25, 2021 8:13:31 GMT
Yeah 😔 All I can really think is that where school was a stressful time for me anyway, that soon after waking my mind would have been preoccupied with other things and the dream would have been pushed down and pushed to the back of my mind and then seemingly got forgotten (until now!)
I don't know, maybe I'm rewriting history, but the more I think back on that period the more I think I "knew", just perhaps not in the same way. In more of a "the things the girls are doing seem a lot more fun and suited to me, but I'm not one which is really rubbish, but oh well, back to trying to survive through the day rather than dwell on it" kind of way.
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Post by Lily on Jul 25, 2021 14:17:44 GMT
You're right, as children we don't really introspect and look for the real meanings behind things, we just get on with our day. As you say, why bother trying to analyze a dream when you've got a horrible day at school to face. You did the best you could with the life skills that you had at the time.
I think we both have our reasons why we acknowledged who we were later in life. I am learning not to be that hard on myself about it. I hope that you have learnt the same.
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Post by Jessica on Jul 25, 2021 20:01:02 GMT
Wow, that story made me giggle a little bit. The way some of us are able to just totally write things off without making realizations that hit us in the face.....amazing.
I guess Q-Anon and flat Earthers make more sense to me now.
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Post by Maria on Jul 25, 2021 20:27:33 GMT
Wow, that story made me giggle a little bit. The way some of us are able to just totally write things off without making realizations that hit us in the face.....amazing. I guess Q-Anon and flat Earthers make more sense to me now. I feel like I'm being compared to a Trump-supporting geography-ignoramus 😡
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Post by Jessica on Jul 26, 2021 14:07:15 GMT
Wow, that story made me giggle a little bit. The way some of us are able to just totally write things off without making realizations that hit us in the face.....amazing. I guess Q-Anon and flat Earthers make more sense to me now. I feel like I'm being compared to a Trump-supporting geography-ignoramus 😡 I guess.......kinda? I suppose I am comparing all closeted trans girls to Trump supporting geography ignoramuses. If we can miss such seemingly obvious signs because we are in denial......I guess I understand how those idiots can too. Big difference is we are only hurting ourselves.
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Post by Lily on Jul 26, 2021 15:52:32 GMT
Another big difference is that we get all this information from our culture that supports our denial. We get told that is our biological body that determines our gender, and that our inner idenity is made-up or irrelevant etc. Whereas in their case the opposite is true, they legitimise themselves with the fact everyone else is telling them that they are wrong.
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Post by Maria on Jul 26, 2021 22:40:10 GMT
Another difference would be that a large part of the struggle for a lot of trans people is knowing/accepting whether it's true or not as there's no real concrete test or evidence. As the Oracle says in The Matrix, "No one can tell you whether you are, you just know." But then that leaves a lot of room for doubt. Whereas with the groups that you mentioned, there is no doubt whatsoever and a wealth of evidence available in the form of the entirety of science - the evidence just happens to point in the opposite direction of what they believe.
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Post by Lily on Jul 26, 2021 23:22:02 GMT
... but Maria those tests with measuring the fingers, and the one with the arms and the whips. What about that gender personality test too? I thought I was extremely feminine now. Were those all meaningless?
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Post by Maria on Jul 26, 2021 23:46:15 GMT
... but Maria those tests with measuring the fingers, and the one with the arms and the whips. What about that gender personality test too? I thought I was extremely feminine now. Were those all meaningless?  Umm whips? What kinds of tests have you been doing exactly? 🤣 Even if all of those were 100% concrete evidence though, that would still be a drop in the ocean compared to the amount of evidence of the world being round and Trump being a prat. Incidentally, did you know his supporters tried to repurpose LGBT as "let's get behind Trump" 😕 Yaay, I'm a Let's Trump 🙄
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Post by Lily on Jul 27, 2021 0:06:43 GMT
I had to mistype hips to whips didn't I. Damn my clumsy fingers.
I didn't know that about what they tried to do with LGBT and rather wish I didn't.
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Post by Jessica on Jul 27, 2021 14:22:07 GMT
Evidence and science are meaningless to a Trump supporter. You confront them with a fact based argument and they write it off as from the "fake news media" and say something about how liberals are soft snowflakes who can't handle conflict.
They're really good at pointing out their own flaws by saying they exist in others.
I really do believe that way of thinking is the minority in the US (hence why Trump had fewer votes in both elections) but the republicans are making it so fewer people can vote and essentially rigging the elections and the courts in their favor for years to come. Which is ironic since they claim the 2020 election was rigged when they are the ones rigging elections. I am afraid that even though there are fewer of them, they have a greater passion for it than the liberals, and are better at staying on one point and pounding it home......ultimately they are better at playing the game. And because of that they will ultimately win the day and control things for awhile.
America is very messed up and will continue to be until decent people take a stand. Trump wants to be a facist. He wants to be like North Korea or Russia. And the American system barely survived his attempt to steal the election both by force, and by trying to subvert the democratic process by baselessly claiming election fraud. And he got completely away with both, which was basically two forms of treason. There are several examples of history, including Hitler, where a dictator got off scot free for a coup attempt and ended up coming back stronger the next time. I just don't know if we can keep surviving this nonsense.
Sorry to get on my soapbox but it just frustrates me the stupidity of this nation.
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Post by Maria on Jul 27, 2021 17:00:58 GMT
Unfortunately we are going the same way - possibly worse from recent events. Our government are currently passing legislation to be able to ban peaceful protests and also if I understand correctly making it so that any journalist who publishes evidence which "embarrasses the government" could face years worth of jail time. Very, VERY worrying
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