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Jul 21, 2021 14:41:14 GMT
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Post by chloé on Jul 21, 2021 14:41:14 GMT
Well from the fact that they were shouting abuse at OUR OWN players just based on the colour of their skin... I think it's probably fair to say that it would take something a lot less "controversial" (sorry I can't think of a better word) than being trans to make them dislike you. Personally I wouldn't call them fans though. Someone like yourself, who I'm guessing could name all the England players and their positions, probably what clubs they play for - that's what I would call a fan. I would call myself a supporter - I don't know much but I was cheering them on. Those "fans" I would tbh describe as a mob of thugs, whose emotional instability centres around football. It doesn't matter whether their team won or lost - they were going to behave inappropriately and dangerously. I read about families who had spent a lot of money to be there to witness history who turned around and came home rather than watch the game as they didn't feel safe. Train stations having to be evacuated before the game had even begun. The people responsible for those things aren't supporting their team or their country. They're making things harder for both. They just want an excuse to let out their anger and be violent, and for them football is that excuse. If they really cared about the game or the team, they would have worked to make it a safe, stress-free place for the players and also the fans. Those kids who turned around may have been our next dream 11, but are now perhaps put off the game for life, based on what they witnessed of the culture around it. I'll get off my soap box now It’s one of the reason I prefer rugby, I never went to a match with fear for my family.
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Post by Jessica on Jul 22, 2021 14:16:41 GMT
I have actually been reading "Among the Thugs" which is about soccer hooliganism from an American journalist who got in the weeds with some of the folks in the early 80s. Fascinating stuff. I am really glad that type of stuff doesn't happen in the US to the extent it happens over there. I really enjoy attending sporting events, even ones where the team I am supporting is the away team. I rarely feel unsafe.
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Post by Lily on Jul 25, 2021 0:25:41 GMT
I have actually been reading "Among the Thugs" which is about soccer hooliganism from an American journalist who got in the weeds with some of the folks in the early 80s. Fascinating stuff. I am really glad that type of stuff doesn't happen in the US to the extent it happens over there. I really enjoy attending sporting events, even ones where the team I am supporting is the away team. I rarely feel unsafe. The 80's was the nadir of football violence in the UK. It was engrained into the fan culture back then. It has changed a tremendous amount since those days, the violence has fallen dramatically, and isn't a major problem anymore. Unfortunately it took the Hillsborough disaster to really make that change begin to happen. The major problem now is verbal abuse, particularly racial but not only that. Some of the problem being that some people simply not accepting what they're doing is racist or bigoted in other ways, when it clearly is. That of course just reflects what's there in wider society, but doesn't excuse it at sporting venues or anywhere else. So while there is a low risk of physical harm, there is still a lot of toxicity and hostility in large parts of the crowd. Other sports in the UK don't really have this problem. People attend those sports because they are fans of the sport, and go to just support or watch. However football is different because it is such an instrisic part of our culture, particularly male culture, that it attracts all parts of that population. Many men attend football matches because it is part of being a man. With those men, comes all that toxic masculinity.
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Post by Lily on Jul 25, 2021 0:33:02 GMT
I originally came here to say something else football related, but got sidetracked. Jessica - Just thought I'd let you know I caught the last 20 mins of Kansas City Women's Soccer Team play on Friday night. It was on the Twitch home page so I thought I'd take a look. It finished 0-0, so better than losing I guess. I take it you support them with you being a Kansas City girl yourself? Perhaps you are the more glory hunter type though, like me
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Post by Jessica on Jul 25, 2021 19:46:07 GMT
I have actually been reading "Among the Thugs" which is about soccer hooliganism from an American journalist who got in the weeds with some of the folks in the early 80s. Fascinating stuff. I am really glad that type of stuff doesn't happen in the US to the extent it happens over there. I really enjoy attending sporting events, even ones where the team I am supporting is the away team. I rarely feel unsafe. The 80's was the nadir of football violence in the UK. It was engrained into the fan culture back then. It has changed a tremendous amount since those days, the violence has fallen dramatically, and isn't a major problem anymore. Unfortunately it took the Hillsborough disaster to really make that change begin to happen. The major problem now is verbal abuse, particularly racial but not only that. Some of the problem being that some people simply not accepting what they're doing is racist or bigoted in other ways, when it clearly is. That of course just reflects what's there in wider society, but doesn't excuse it at sporting venues or anywhere else. So while there is a low risk of physical harm, there is still a lot of toxicity and hostility in large parts of the crowd. Other sports in the UK don't really have this problem. People attend those sports because they are fans of the sport, and go to just support or watch. However football is different because it is such an instrisic part of our culture, particularly male culture, that it attracts all parts of that population. Many men attend football matches because it is part of being a man. With those men, comes all that toxic masculinity. This is good insight. I was wondering if it was still as bad as described in the book. Glad to hear it has improved. I had always wanted to see a match in England but this book is making me think twice.
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Post by Jessica on Jul 25, 2021 19:47:33 GMT
I originally came here to say something else football related, but got sidetracked. Jessica - Just thought I'd let you know I caught the last 20 mins of Kansas City Women's Soccer Team play on Friday night. It was on the Twitch home page so I thought I'd take a look. It finished 0-0, so better than losing I guess. I take it you support them with you being a Kansas City girl yourself? Perhaps you are the more glory hunter type though, like me Yeah, I would say I do. I follow the men's team, sporting KC, more to be honest. The women's league is still in its infancy over here. I am touched that you watched it though! That is very sweet!
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Jul 25, 2021 20:21:59 GMT
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Post by Maria on Jul 25, 2021 20:21:59 GMT
Are they on Twitch often? Maybe that could be like a group activity for people who live in America and/or have messed up sleep schedules 😝
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Post by Lily on Jul 25, 2021 21:18:29 GMT
I watched them on the Official NWSL Twitch channel By the looks of it the streams start between 12 midnight and 1 am UK time,and last about 2 hrs 20 mins. The teams being broadcast will vary, I just happened to see it on Twitch's home page, and it was Jessica's hometown team.
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Post by Jessica on Jul 26, 2021 13:50:26 GMT
My favorite thing about the women's team is the name. It is fun to say. FCKC!
Last night the US men won a quarterfinal in what is the equivelent of the European Championships for North America. As I said before, the US is using a B-team in the competition to let their A-team guys rest up for World Cup Qualifiers which begin in a month. They are using mostly guys who play in the American league, leaving their European based players off the roster. That said, this group is coming together and played really well yesterday. They have to play Qatar, who is the Asian champions, next. Not sure why Qatar is playing in the North American championship other than that they're an invited guest and trying to get into as many competitive matches as possible ahead of hosting the World Cup. That will be a really tough test for the US B-team but if they win would be very impressive! They play on Thursday.
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Post by Lily on Jul 26, 2021 23:32:03 GMT
I'm currently watching the Women's Triathlon at the Olympics. I've never heard the word "transition" said so much in such a short amount of time. It feels like they've said it about 100 times. Apparently transition is the 4th hidden discipline of the event after the obvious swimming, cycling and running. Perhaps I need to take this sport up.
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Post by Jessica on Jul 27, 2021 14:01:13 GMT
I'm currently watching the Women's Triathlon at the Olympics. I've never heard the word "transition" said so much in such a short amount of time. It feels like they've said it about 100 times. Apparently transition is the 4th hidden discipline of the event after the obvious swimming, cycling and running. Perhaps I need to take this sport up. Traaaaaaaansition.
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Post by Lily on Jul 27, 2021 15:58:34 GMT
Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes!
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Post by Jessica on Jul 28, 2021 12:51:40 GMT
Turn and face the strange indeed.
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Post by Jessica on Jul 29, 2021 14:08:46 GMT
Today is the day of the Gold Cup semifinal. The Americans are heavy underdogs against Qatar. The women play in the Olympic quarterfinals tomorrow morning at 4am my time. I'll probably record it and put it on in the background at work haha.
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Jul 29, 2021 14:28:43 GMT
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Post by Maria on Jul 29, 2021 14:28:43 GMT
Today is the day of the Gold Cup semifinal. The Americans are heavy underdogs against Qatar. The women play in the Olympic quarterfinals tomorrow morning at 4am my time. I'll probably record it and put it on in the background at work haha. Good luck! 🤞
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